Wild type with big dorsal 08.2017

A non red fish showed in a line. It is so called european blau or in russian nomenclature low ee (lowerer synthesis in erythophores). It is a recessive gene, which reduces red pigment on a body but can left some red in fins – it depends on exact color cells.

Photos of brothers. One blue, one normal.

With age more blue show on a fish.

Below examples of no yellow (MMGGeeXX) or so called Purple body fish in comparison with wild coloration brother.

Wild type big dorsal 05.2017

So little update on these guys. I wanted to switch dorsal color from red to yellow and add VEG to make fish more shining. I used fish from Jacek Ambrożkiewicz – females from his ls guppies. Decent results. Need to work on dorsal size but coloration it correct. Also some of them looks like living gems. So with further tinkering (maybe cross breeding with ginga) I will have really nice line :).

Take a look how fragmentary snakeskin on peduncle mixed well with VEG blue spot on this spectacular male:

He sadly has weaker than his brothers dorsal shape and color… so a lot of work again to fix it a little bit.

Singapor blue: mine examples 11.2016

As for 24.11.2016 I have singas from two sources. First I have received from Jacek Ambrożkiewicz around may 2016. He crossed male from Tobi from GuppyFocus with females from LS Alan Bias line. Those females are rather neutral in tail fin shape. Male from Tobi looked like this:

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He had this funny little sword. His sons from mentioned above cross made by Jacek look like this:
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So they lost this funny sword. Specimens that I selected for further breedings have yellow dorsal (probably from LS females) and blueish bottom fins.

Second kind of singapor blues I work with come from cross between above male from Tobie and female from Bolek’s japan blue line (I keep this line with males which lost japan blue during cross over). Females from this line are probably neutral in terms of caudal shape, they affect dorsal and there is probably autosomal zebrinus and fragmentary snakeskin on base of caudal fin. Photo of a line:
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Young singas from this cross:
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Some of them have this funny sword. Will need further work to get rid of it completly.

Wild type with big dorsal

Next fish from Bolek. Simple but I love the look of them. Also males are hiper active, constantly chasing females and showing off.

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In addition to this line females I have also introduced F1 females after singa cross made by Jacek Ambrożkiewicz. Mainly to add yellow coloration to dorsal fin of males.

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Reflections on russian base body colors theory

In my opinion there are few crucial facts in base body colors article which should be additionally discussed. I won’t go much into details of russian theory in this article assuming that a reader is familiar with them.

Genotypes with full or reduced synthesis of given color are build of four parts:

MM – means full synthesis of melanine (black)
GG – means full synthesis of guanine (reflective/blue)
EE – means full synthesis of astaxanthin and others carotenoids (red)
XX – means full synthesis of luteine (yellow)

“Grey” guppy has full synthesis of all 4 colors. It’s genotype will be: MMGGEEXX.

“Blond” guppy will have reduced melanine synthesis. It’s genotype will be: mmGGEEXX.

Let’s consider an example cross between grey (MMGGEEXX) and blond (mmGGEEXX). Possible results in F1 (all dominant heterozygotes according to first Mendel’s law): MmGGEEXX. Resulting dominant hets will visually (change in melanophore size/number) be lighter than dominant grey (MMGGEEXX) and darker than recessive blond (mmGGEEXX). In F2 cross according to second Mendel law genotypes will regroup and we will get three distinct genotypes: grey (MMGGEEXX), hets (MmGGEEXX) – het. for autosomal blond, and blond (mmGGEEXX) – autosomal blond.

We can as well made a crosses with other colors (which will rise numbers of possible outcome genotypes and phenotypes). In case of base body colors we have 2 alleles (number of alleles in a gene) to power of 4 (number of traits). The result is 16 different base body colors.

Now let’s take a closer look to, in my opinion, the most important part of Storozhev article. It really makes it the complete guppy selection theory.

“The more recessive color genes in genotype, the lower number of all pigment cells”

For a breeder it means two important things. Firstly all colors are depending on each other. For example a MmGgEeXx genotype with 4 recessive alleles will makes the fish less colorfull than genotype MmGGEeXx because of lower total number of pigment cells – not only those affected by recessive alleles.

Vladimir Storozhev during his over 30 years of guppy breeding experience has noticed another very important corelation . Shape of a tail fin depends on pigment cells. I can write it like this: there is a strong positive corelation between pigment cells and shape of a tail fin.

According to all above information we can simply say that base body color has an influence on shape of tail fin.

barwapodstawowa-ogonki1. Picture shows brothers. Blonde on low left has the best double sword shape Photo by. W. Storożew

So in more useful for a breeder words. Some base body colors will help maintain desirable tail fin shape others won’t or can even make it harder or impossible. One have to remember about surface and over surface colors (there will be article about them in a future) – like for example half black. They also cotribute to pigment cells size and distribution and are inherited independently to base body colors.

In addition Storozhev says that there are no tail fin shape genes and he describe only two kinds of tail fin. Short, colorless tail fins – like for example in wild guppies and colorful tail fins. Arrangement (distribution?) of pigment cells on tail means it’s shape. Colorfull short tail is a combination of a colorfull long tail and one of a shortening tail fin gene (magenta, glass belly, panda and pink).

True difference between common theories about different tail fin shape gens and Storozhev approach reveal itself in a cross between two different tail types. In a second generation we do not receive (according to mendel laws) two basic tail shapes with new blood but we receive intermediate forms between one shape and the other and we have to select further for a proper shape. It confirms in my opinion Storozhev approach about lack of tail shape genes. Genes do control distribution of pigment cells and that is what a breeder should focus on in his selection of a perfect tail fin shape.

There is of course an exception :). Snakeskin gene can have any shape of tail fin.

Spread angle of a tail fin is an autosomal recessive gene which can be positivelly selected.

Body of a guppy is divided into 3 regions which are colored independently. Forebody, peduncle and tail fin. Even in a case of genes which seems to colors full body – like snakeskin. So for example you can achieve snakeskin only on a tail or only on a peduncle. So possibly have any tail fin shape if it is a snakeskin. Worth checking with halfblack and swordtail.

snakeskinAndCon2. Example of a snakeskin on a peduncle. Photo by Andrzej Konarzewski

So having in a consideration a base body color influence on a tail fin shape and few above facts a breeder receive a simple and what is the most important complete theory about guppy selection.

There is one more subject which should be discussed. Asian blau gene and is Russian nomenclature. Well to be honest I am not 100% sure how it should be described – still reading about it on a russian forum. However for now I can only say that instead of taking into consideration few genes that affect red pigment color cells (Asian blau, European blau, Hellblau and Ivory) Storozhev assumes existence of different red pigments (and different red pigment cells) – and so different phenotypical expressions of both heterozygotous “Ee” and homozygotous “ee” base body colors. So is it so different? No it is not. In fact it is  almost the same. From one side we have different red pigment remover genes – on the other we have different red pigment cells and genes that regulate it’s expression.

From my point of view concentrating on differences will sooner or later different people and opinions and will sooner or later make discussion emotional. That’s why I do use all available data to both understand results I see in my fishroom and to create phenotypes I planned in the simplest way possible. What can I say after a year (yeah I am a begginer) of a guppy breeding? It is well worth to take into consideration russian theory. It was created by a guy with over 30 years of experience and 50 tons of water and what is more important – it is a useful and simple tool even if not 100% in line with most popular “western” approach to the same challenges and problems. As one of my most favourite philosophers – Allan Watts said: words are not reality.